Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com! newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com! news1.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Brian" <sub...@post.com> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion Subject: Linux version of "Deep Thought" by IBM... Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <2nNc7.39881$B37.822649@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:58:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.68.77.116 X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.bc.home.com 997433918 24.68.77.116 (Fri, 10 Aug 2001 01:58:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 01:58:38 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion:27096 Check this out boys & girls... dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010809/tc/tech_supercomputer_dc_1.html I just love this part; <quote> Because of the open-source standards in creating the grid, a large benefit is the ability to plug other supercomputers and systems that aren't based on Intel chips and Linux into the DTF to boost performance and compute capacity even more. </quote> Sort of beats the crap out of Microsoft's "me me me me" perspective of proprietary software. Best regards, Brian (the other Brian)
From: "Adrian L" <n...@no.com> References: <2nNc7.39881$B37.822649@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com> Subject: Re: Linux version of "Deep Thought" by IBM... Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:44:14 -0400 Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: <#4SmnraIBHA.1524@tkmsftngp04> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.183.140.67 Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca! look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp04 Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion:27123 I'm so sick of hearing about open-source. Consumers want great software, they couldn't care less if it's open source or not. All the linux movement has produced so far are couple of hundreds of half-baked, semi-finished programs that are mostly of no use to anybody. So where is this so called 'advantage' of having the access to the OS source code. 99.999% of developers have absolutely no need to have the OS source code. Who has time to browse through millions of lines of OS source code ? I'd like to know how many people in the world actually understand linux source code. Probably only people who are actually developing it, like Red Hat programmers. I as a MS developer have the best documentation I can possibly have in MSDN library, plus hundreds of WEB sites, news groups, books, ... The reason I hate linux so much is the constant lies and deceptions that they spread. They tell you it's free, but they don't tell you it will cost you countless of ours to get it working, that most mainstream applications don't exist, ... "Brian" <sub...@post.com> wrote in message news:2nNc7.39881$B37.822649@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com... > Check this out boys & girls... > > dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010809/tc/tech_supercomputer_dc_1.html > > I just love this part; > > <quote> > Because of the open-source standards in creating the grid, a large benefit > is the ability to plug other supercomputers and systems that aren't based on > Intel chips and Linux into the DTF to boost performance and compute capacity > even more. > </quote> > > Sort of beats the crap out of Microsoft's "me me me me" perspective of > proprietary software. > > Best regards, > > Brian > (the other Brian) > >
Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com! newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com! news1.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Brian <sub...@post.com> Subject: Re: Linux version of "Deep Thought" by IBM... Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.discussion References: <2nNc7.39881$B37.822649@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com> <#4SmnraIBHA.1524@tkmsftngp04> Lines: 136 User-Agent: KNode/0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: <qi_c7.41450$B37.868790@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:41:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.68.77.116 X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.bc.home.com 997486870 24.68.77.116 (Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:41:10 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:41:10 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com microsoft.public.msn.discussion:27173 Hi Adrian: Adrian L wrote: > I'm so sick of hearing about open-source. <clipped rant for brevity> > I as a MS developer have the best documentation Visual Basic perhaps? > I can possibly have in MSDN library, plus hundreds of > WEB sites, news groups, books, ... Linux documentation is also excellent and most of the primary documentation is free and online. > The reason I hate linux so much is the constant lies > and deceptions that they spread. <gag> What? > They tell you it's free, but they don't tell you it will cost you > >countless of hours to get it working, In contrast to Microsoft Windows? Have you ever seen a typical user install Windows 2000 Server? Do you know what Microsoft calls this typical user? Code Red (I, II or III) victim.. > that most mainstream applications don't exist, ... This particular desktop (KDE) features four separate desktop environments compared to Microsoft Window's single desktop. All I have to do is <ctrl> <F1> - <F4> to jump instantly from one to the other. I am reading and responding to usenet using KNode. I am listening to music using Koarun (thereare many other media players).. I browse using Konqueror or Netscape 4.77 (stock) but there are many others. I do email using KMail and create a diagram using KIllustrator There are some new personal finace applications but they won't connect to my bank yet - neither will MS Money for that matter. I write letters using KWord or SUN's Open Office and create invoices using KSpread or Open Office. I have at my fingertips numerous mainstream office applications and utilities including some excellent database SQL front ends. - all for free. If I want to spend some money on an office suite, Corel has an excellent full featured office suite for small dollars compared to Microsoft products. Corel even gives away it Linux Word Perfect word processor for personal use.. However, most of my real work is done in CLI (command line interface) mode because that is where much of the REAL power of Linux resides. I write scripts in easily learned and understood formats. I won't even go into the complete and extensive C and C++ development suite installed with every Linux distribution. I create network applications/appliances that are inexpensive and reliable alternatives to Microsoft products, file, backup, fax, printer, web, ftp, telnet, ssh, netfilter, firewall, nat, router, remote access, mail, irc, dns, instant messaging, database, diskless and X services. - all for free. Lastly, when I set up a Linux server providing numerous distinct services (web server, ftp server, faxserver, remote access server, ssh daemon, file server and NAT/router/firwall service.) -it starts, it runs and baring hardware/power failure or a Microsoft MCSE hitting the reset button (is that what they are trained to do?), that machine just runs and runs and runs, just like the Energizer Bunny! When I have to service these servers, all I have to do is connect over the 'Net using a secure shell and I can do everything as if I were sitting right in front of the box. There are also Linux web configuration programs but I don't use them myself. When I do development on a Linux box and change some network system characteristics, I don't have to reboot. When I build and install a new application, I don't have to reboot.. If I need to update a driver, I don't have to reboot. As a matter of fact, the ONLY time I am forced to reboot is when I install a new Linux kernel. I have even installed a completely different instance of Linux on a different partition on a running Linux box and then rebooted to that new instance with minimal reconfiguration. I can put a very complete 32bit Linux OS including lots of utilities on a single floppy boot disk - this is very handy, especially with broken Windows partitions.. I employ a gaggle of crytic sounding tools with names like "grep, vi, awk, perl, python, bash, at, tail, cat, dmesg, ln, ls, ps, tar, touch, kill, bc, and many many others, I write almost all of my config scripts from scratch, hating the "insert the numbers" mentality of Microsoft Windows or it's Achilles Heel, "The Registry". What IS missing is a few games that are difficult to impossible toplay in Linux, Starcraft, Diablo II and a few others I enjoy. I usually keep a box with Windows 98se installed for playing games - when it crashes, no big deal (and it ALWAYS crashes).. Meanwhile I am doing REAL work on Linux boxes. The problem YOU personally have to deal with is that I can install and administer Windows for most intents and purposes as well as work fluently in the Linux environment. You appear to be stuck with only Windows.. I can develop for both but I made an informed decision to concentrate on Linux because of it's superior technology. When a client comes to me with a problem, I don't just reach for the Microsoft catalog of goods and services and start quoting huge figures, I use my skills and knowledge of the Linux community of goods and services to provide the most and best bang for his/her buck. Keep on developing for Microsoft, you may be needed to help rearrange the deck chairs. Best regards, Brian (the other Brian) >> Check this out boys & girls... > >> dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010809/tc/tech_supercomputer_dc_1.html >> >> I just love this part; > >> <quote> >> Because of the open-source standards in creating the grid, a large >> benefit is the ability to plug other supercomputers and systems that >> aren't based on Intel chips and Linux into the DTF to boost performance >> and compute capacity even more. >> </quote> > >> Sort of beats the crap out of Microsoft's "me me me me" perspective of >> proprietary software. >