Message ID: 269513
Posted By: ot_hstoop
Posted On: 2005-05-30 09:42:00
Subject: Enderle Alert
at http://www.technewsworld.com/story/commentary/43413.html
Visit at your own risk.
The Most Powerful Labor Union in the World: Linux?
First we were smaller then we were and now we are bigger then we are.
Message ID: 269522
Posted By: diogenese19348
Posted On: 2005-05-30 10:12:00
Subject: Re: Enderle Alert
Lord help him, the
Everything he said did happen.
The reasons for it were us. And, yeah, they need to be very, very afraid. "Union"
is a liberal term. We are not. We are educated, we do not trust in management, and
we are very, very pissed off.
Congradulations Rob, you got something right.
Did the bit about MoG give you a fucking clue?
Heh, beware the beast. Make
no mistake, it has been awakened. And the answer is 42...
Message ID: 269523
Posted By: boyle_m_owl
Posted On: 2005-05-30 10:13:00
Subject: Re: Enderle Alert
"Visit at your own risk."
I did. Jeezus.
"This isn't a child running around with scissors. This is child running around
with a nuclear bomb."
And this is a "journalist" running with a poison pen
tripping over a rock.
What a fuckhead.
I have to add technewsworld
to 127.0.0.1 now.
--
BMO
Message ID: 269526
Posted By: rex007can
Posted On: 2005-05-30 10:24:00
Subject: Re: Enderle Alert
It's beyond be. I just don't understand. Yeah
yeah, advertisers,money, clicks etc etc. But there ARE limits to what a relatively
big site should and should not publish. He's defending something over which the
writer got fired, the editors quit, the worst backlash I've ever seen hapened. He's
condemning the response without even mentionning what the response was TO! He's
also defending something that he was complaining about just a few months ago. Bullying
in order to silence.
Does he (professionally) have a death wish? After seying
what hapened with MOG, you'd think nobody would want to touch that story with a
50 foot keyboard.
My bet is, he just wants to create controversy in order
to generate clicks. But how desperate do you have to be???
Pathetic.
Message ID: 269529
Posted By: crunchie812
Posted On: 2005-05-30 10:26:00
Subject: Re: Enderle Alert
YeeHaaaa!
"The Most Powerful Labor Union
in the World: Linux? "
DON'T FSCK WITH ME, I RUN LINUX!
"This is power
that Microsoft, Oracle, IBM and many governments could only dream of having. The
power to control the press and the skills contained in this organization are likely
capable of disrupting travel, power grids and other broad national infrastructure
systems if their demands are not met."
Wow, I thought I just wanted an OS
that doesn't suck.
Excuse me, I have to go out and and swagger down the street
and glare ominously at the peasantry.
Message ID: 269531
Posted By: rex007can
Posted On: 2005-05-30 10:32:00
Subject: Re: Enderle Alert
I was thinking of complaining to the editors.
But at this point, I firmly believe that their reaction will be something like.
"Oh great. On more guy who read it! That's cool!"
Message ID: 269532
Posted By: diogenese19348
Posted On: 2005-05-30 10:32:00
Subject: You know, I can't let this go...
Rob is making only one mistake.
He assumes the movement is organized. He knows it is not, hell, he said there is
no leader. Well duh, there is no leader beacuse there is no organization. Sort of
like the Democratic Party. But I digress.
Seriously, yes, the geeks are pissed.
Yes, they do not trust management. Yes they are working around established power
bases. What, Rob? You didn't see this comming?
Shit Balmer did.
Rob,
do you honestly believe Microsoft has written the absolute best opperatiing system
that could ever have been written?
Why the fuck would you thing that?
And if they did not, how would that opperating system come about.
Let's
see, a group effort FOR FREE in the 1970's created Unix. That is what happened Rob,
Microsoft certainly did not write it. AT&T, which was ANOTHER FUCKING MONOPOLY AT
THE TIME, DIG IT ROB tried to hijack it. You reading me dude? They lost a damned
case to the hippies at Berkly. Want to buy a clue as to why?
So now, decades
later, after a bunch of freeware, shareware, and whatever, we have yet another operating
system. Damned and it is free again. Can't have that can we
And some of your friends are trying to kill it comrade. Kill it,
and anybody that defends it. Rob, fuck off. So there is this "Internet" thingie,
you know, you post articles on it. WE FUCKING DO TOO.
Differently. Go figure.
Yeah, Microcrap and Oracle WISH they had the power we have. Their problem. They
could have had it if they hadn't outsourced to India.
Maybe not. I undertand
the programmers in India feel the same way. You are SOOOO fucked Rob.
Message ID: 269541
Posted By: nobbutl
Posted On: 2005-05-30 11:02:00
Subject: Re: You know, I can't let this go...
Well I haven't got the time
right now actually to *read* the thing... but here are a couple of thoughts.
First, Robbo may well be working up another SCO Forum keynote. If so, this will
be the first half of his polemic, and our reaction to it will be the second half.
Secondly, Robbo fears that we've found a technical workround [1] for the Marxist
alienation (look it up) that has become rampant in the software industry; and him
and his lazy conservative buddy-buddies don't like it. Well, duh, this is about
the only subject they are authoritative on, and to a certain extent they are right.
This *is* about naked power.
However, Robbo's mistaken if he thinks there's
ideology behind it. We have no collective ideology beyond bringing Darwinism into
business. Wait and see who's still here in ten years time :-)
[1] Remember
the Dilbert cartoon? "There's a technical solution for every problem"
Message ID: 269545
Posted By: diogenese19348
Posted On: 2005-05-30 11:14:00
Subject: Re: You know, I can't let this go...
I have to give Rob credit in
that he has noticed something new and unusual has happened, and I don’t mean Linux.
Where he loses it is calling it a Union, and trying to put it into terms he
understands. That does not work, and why the article seems silly.
Frankly,
Science Fiction writers have been trying to figure out how technology will change
our through process for decades. Rob probably would be helped by reading some.
It appears fairly simple to me. We now have instant feedback to our thoughts.
It only happened before if you were sitting in a room of like minded people, sort
of a university dorm setting. You talked and bull
No need now. Crap,
we are all sitting on a board for a company we freaking hate, with bookmarks to
IP-Wars, Groklaw, and Slashdot. Instant feedback? I have your instant
This is what Rob is missing. There is no freaking
organization. We are a mass of loosely organized synapses that fire at random at
each other. There is no damned leader. We sort of all do the same thing without
thinking.
Does this freaking board look organized? Or God help us, does Slashdot?
You know, Rob, you are
Is there a Linux movement?
Hell yes. Is it organized? Er, define that term please.
My only problem with
the article. Otherwise, yeah, he nailed it. Be very, very afraid Billy...
Message ID: 269547
Posted By: peragirn
Posted On: 2005-05-30 11:18:00
Subject: Re: You know, I can't let this go...
>> This is what Rob is missing.
There is no freaking organization. We are a mass of loosely organized synapses that
fire at random at each other. There is no damned leader. We sort of all do the same
thing without thinking.<<
You know that sounds alot loike how the human brain
works. Does that mean that computer geeks have created an AI from our random thoughts,
and tin foil head dresses?
maybe those brain altering waves were hoaxes until
WE in the tinfoil created them with a massive AI aimed taking over the business
world?
Message ID: 269552
Posted By: diogenese19348
Posted On: 2005-05-30 11:34:00
Subject: Re: You know, I can't let this go...
<<<<
>> This is what Rob
is missing. There is no freaking organization. We are a mass of loosely organized
synapses that fire at random at each other. There is no damned leader. We sort of
all do the same thing without thinking.<<
You know that sounds alot loike
how the human brain works. Does that mean that computer geeks have created an AI
from our random thoughts, and tin foil head dresses?
maybe those brain altering
waves were hoaxes until WE in the tinfoil created them with a massive AI aimed taking
over the business world?
>>>>
Aside from the brain altering part, yes.
And they are not random thoughts.
Peragirn, you have my random thoughts
posted on a site you put up. IP-Wars links to it. OK, so are we organized? Have
you ever met me? Do you have the foggiest who Colonel Zen is? I know I don’t
We are not an organization, we recognize no leader, but damned if we do not
act like one. Rob is confused. I understand the reason for the confusion. Frankly,
I don’t have a label to put on it either, but it does exist. We are organized. We
just do not know how or why.
There is a huge force that supports Linux, and
it is organized. If Microsoft does not figure out how it is organized, it is going
to kill them. Small loss. Presumably national governments are looking into it also.
They better.
World Government. It is coming. And it is not going to look
anything like what we expected. Trust me. I have no idea what is going to look like
either.
Message ID: 269558
Posted By: diogenese19348
Posted On: 2005-05-30 12:07:00
Subject: Re: Linux organization
<<
Linux definitely has a type of organization
to it - a meritocracy based primarily on coding skills and secondarily on the ability
to manage those who code well. I mean Linux the kernel in this statement.
>>
Hmmm... I was probably not defining the communication change a widely as
I should have. Common mistake. You tend to see what is in front of you...
You know where I went to get my news about Iraq? Not the networks, not CNN,
not newspapers. Were I got it from was Salam Pax. The Iraqi Blogger. His site is
dark these days, sorry to say.
These message boards have a signal to noise
ratio. Yeah, we all know that. Er, so do newspapers. As in, the editor is the gatekeeper.
You only hear what he/she wants you to hear. Broadcast television is worse. They
are worried about ratings, and have to fit the whole damned thing into 30 seconds
anyway.
To get a paper or a book you have to go out and buy them. Not a problem
with TV, you simply sit in front of it. And watch whatever freaking news somebody
wants to show you. And get no feedback opportunity, unless you want to write the
station.
Sort of my point. It is all about communication people. It has changed.
Rob has not picked up on it. We are not organized, we are connected. Hello Rob,
this is Dio speaking. You on this board today? Heloooo?
I can go to Google,
and get pretty much any piece of information I need instantly. As long as I can
figure out the right keywords to enter, and I am damned good at that.
Yeah,
all our little brains just got a bit more closely wired then they were before. Beware
the swarm.
Message ID: 269559
Posted By: rex007can
Posted On: 2005-05-30 12:08:00
Subject: Re: You know, I can't let this go...
I have a pretty good idea how
it's organised. It's a realtime democracy.
The idea behind democracy is that
if you get enough people involved, you will most likely end up with the best decision.
I think that that's one thing these people dont grasp. When Enderle, or
Didio asks about who stands behind the product, who offers the support, what happens
when the programmer goes away etc etc. I think they are just the generation of people
who don't understand that these questions are completely irrelevant because it's
ALL on the internet. You just have to be strong with the Googlefoo.
When
I want to find something on M$' site, I google it. When I want find an answer, I
google it and when I think something is crap, I publish my opinion on the web and
anyone can find it, reply to me, discuss it...by googlin it.
I also think
that they are taken aback by the force they are encountering. Just a few years ago,
they could talk
It's
a sign that things are changing for them. And they have to adapt or go away. Just
like TV reporters and Journalists, they have to realise that they will be held accountable
for their actions. The internet doesn't have the CRTC, the FCC or anything like
that. But the Internet has people like us. They can't be fined for saying
That's why I don't get his article. Why on earth would you
want to go there?
Message ID: 269613
Posted By: ColonelZen
Posted On: 2005-05-30 15:51:00
Subject: Re: Linux organization
I'm going to try to finish my "Yes, Linux
is Communist" article this week.
It pulls on a lot of threads so getting
the material organized is a bitch.
-- TWZ
Message ID: 269614
Posted By: b29651
Posted On: 2005-05-30 16:19:00
Subject: Re: Linux organization
dio
i am seeing a side to you i never
saw before.
endorle rang your button and got you upset or reacting.
strange
and as already stated ,scary to see this side of dio.
endorle misses the whole
point.
i dont have a leader,i have a brain and can think for myself and that
is what media fears more than anything.
our own mind in control of our own thoughts.
very satisfying feeling.
endorle is now passed what i had said was the dangerous
stage and has now entered the stupid stage,laugh at him and enjoy the idea that
we are People/individuals
br3n
Message ID: 269621
Posted By: diogenese19348
Posted On: 2005-05-30 17:04:00
Subject: Re: Linux organization
<<
dio
i am seeing a side to you i
never saw before.
endorle rang your button and got you upset or reacting.
strange and as already stated ,scary to see this side of dio.
endorle misses
the whole point.
i dont have a leader,i have a brain and can think for myself
and that is what media fears more than anything.
our own mind in control of our
own thoughts.
very satisfying feeling.
endorle is now passed what i had said
was the dangerous stage and has now entered the stupid stage,laugh at him and enjoy
the idea that we are People/individuals
br3n
>>
Nah, went off on
Darl a while back too. And Dan. I save cussing for special occasions. Like the second
bottle of wine.
Seriously though, I do believe the interent is shifting human
intelligence. I was not playing around about that. I have no idea if Endarle bought
a clue about that yet.
Message ID: 269622
Posted By: ColonelZen
Posted On: 2005-05-30 17:10:00
Subject: Dear Mr. Enderle
As far as I am aware, you are the only person who
is of the opinion that the consequences of "the O'Gara/PJ saga ... did more damage
then(sic) good."
Possibly Ms. Jones was somewhat discomfitted by the additional
exposure of personal particulars not at all pertinent to her leadership of Groklaw,
but there was no "goal" to "eliminate the offending article" though there certainly
was a consensus that it was a good thing.
As you yourself point out, there
was no leadership at all. Merely a collective scream of outrage.
I am amused
and more than a little pleased that you so fear our inchoate collective power so
much that you consider it "nuclear". No, there is no leadership as such, there are
no nuclear bombs. There are just tens of thousands of individuals, "little points
of light" to recall an expression, which when turned and focused upon your professional
colleague for her gross abuse of her position burned her badly.
No there
is no leadership. Merely consensus; the focus and attention, the heat, upon any
issue will be the sum of our individual interests: when our interests are mild there
will be a little light; where great but disparate there will be much light but diffuse,
illuminating but rarely burning; but when the interest is huge and coherent throughout
our community the sum of those lights will be as a laser burning at the focus of
our wrath and balefully illuminating those uncomfortably near.
An apt analogy,
don't you think?
In many ways our community needs no leadership. Projects
do, of course, and they get them. We have shared interests and neighborhoods, clubs,
societies, and casual associations as any community does. We have leaders, we feel
no lack that they can only lead by consensus.
The true lack, the failure
of leadership in this little embarassment belongs to YOUR profession. This was a
failure of journalism, and it fell to the Linux community to address it.
-- TWZ
Message ID: 269629
Posted By: higgins_jc
Posted On: 2005-05-30 18:17:00
Subject: Rob Enderle peddles lies
> At no time in history has a technology
firm
> been as thoroughly attacked as SCO
I don't know of anyone attacking
SCOX - as I understood it we were all attacking the lies peddled by them, and the
FUD flowing from them. In regard to which - they started it, we replied.
> their
executive leadership has been threatened,
> and their ability to function has
been almost completely eliminated.
I wasn't aware of any evidence that the
executive leadership was ever able to function ?
but seriously - where is
there any evidence that these people are members of the linux community ? The SCO
Dos attack was a windows based worm - and the source isn't a linux community member
( Groklaw ran an article )
> a multi-million dollar company backed by a strong
legal team has been all but put out of business, and this
> couldn't have happened
without some form of
> organization.
Jeez Rob - I'd have thought that
you'd have been able to figure out at least one other way for a SCO to end up out
of business. Surely you are not so blinkered as to be unable to think outside the
box ? Surely suing their own customers, and threatinging all their customers who
use Linux may have something to do with it ?
> In addition, companies using
Linux technology and
> not complying with the GPL generally face a
> combination
of legal
Oh my goodness Rob - you're not suggesting that people who break
the law should be allowed get away with it ? Is that the only way that your friends
at SCO will stay out of Jail ?
Shame on the Linux community for respecting
copyright and Intellectual property rights ..
Where is your call on SCO to
cease and desist with their fud - haven't they done exactly the same thing.. oh
- hang on .. .they gave *you* money to turn up and say nice things about them..
So we see that your blinkered view seems to be for sale.
> Let's take the
most powerful software company
> in the world, Microsoft, and imagine a
> scenario where they had a problem with a
> negative article. Generally they
could call
> and complain,
Oh my - isn't that just what we did ? Now
Rob, you are really scraping the bottom of your barrel if you think that your contradictions
two paragraphs apart won't be noticed.
> Even the U.S. government generally
doesn't
> have the power to remove an offending piece
> unless it is totally
inaccurate.
Bingo - now you have it - The MOG article was totally inaccurate,
and showed a 'journalistic' integrity lower down the food chain than the stuff I
wipe off my shoes..
Can you honestly not see that ?
> In it O'Gara
implied, but did not prove, that PJ worked for IBM,
> and in building her incomplete
case she did
> create a powerful argument suggesting PJ
> wasn't really
who she appeared to be.
No she didn't - and if you really think that can
I suggest you return to elementary school and learn to read. Possibly the use of
a dictionary may help.
Rob, I'm implying that you have no hair, and the photo
is touched up - I can't prove it... but the evidence stacks up .. Simply putting
something down in writing doesn't make it true. That applies equally well for the
fud from SCO, the crud from MOG and the spew from you.
Rob - you obviously
can't handle democracy.... You probably claim the right to say your piece under
your constitution - but are trying to deny that right to everyone else.
Your contradictions, implied threats, weak strawman arguments and petty bitching
are do not provide for a compelling argument.
In short - your writing is
not worth reading.
But, stick with it - you might consider changing jobs though..
Try debating- I understand from the members of the community who attended the SCO
event last year that you are clearly a master at that.
Message ID: 269642
Posted By: jldill22
Posted On: 2005-05-30 22:30:00
Subject: The Linux World Conspiracy
I have just skimmed the Enderle article.
While I was reading that article, it struck me how great a tragedy for the
world it was that some years ago Senator McCarthy died of a liver ailment and his
able counsel, Roy Cohn, passed away from a social disease.
Together they
could have rid the universe of the Linux Conspiracy.
Since they are no longer
here to lead the way, perhaps a Senator with an equally plebian name ("Hatch" for
instance would do) could lead the fight against the threatened take-over of Western
civilization as we know it by the Linux conspirators and their fellow travellers,
sympathizers and dupes.
I would nominate Enderle to perform the Cohn role
in this new crusade. Granted Enderle is not a lawyer, but as a purveyor of information
concerning the Linux threat to the free world he is at least as good a spinner of
truth as Cohn ever was.
(I do not know what happened to Cohn's helpful and
affectionate assistant, David Schine. Perhaps he still lives and could provide services
to Enderle and Hatch that are similar to those that he provided to Cohn and McCarthy.)
Message ID: 269646
Posted By: korbomite
Posted On: 2005-05-30 23:11:00
Subject: Re: Rob Enderle - NO DDOS
There were no DDOS attacks.
The
Secret Service, the FBI and, now, Business Week have said this repeatedly. Here
is PJ's summary, at the head of a large number of comments, some of them rather
well-formed and, more importantly, INformed:
www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050520205027290
NO DDOS...NONE...
Just more 'Enderlies' in his role as yet another paid
M$FT agent-in-place and SCumX co-conspirator.
When the criminal charges emerge,
Mr. Enderlie should be near the top of the list of indicted co-conspirators, possibly
with his Editor.
DDOS networks are available VERY cheaply. It is not even
very hard to find the controllers or to pay them.
Appareently, given the
SEC's record and that of the Bush Administration in this and other securities matters,
it is not even very hard to get away with it. You can even be the CEO of a publicly
traded company, hire such a network and then publicly lie about it, including in
Federally mandated notices, with no consequences.
Amazing, the country we
live in and the level of corruption, isn't it?
k
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